“Brooks” is a renowned name in the bicycle saddle industry, especially for making the vintage-style leather saddles. I only ride about 15 miles or so a week but would love to ride more.Now winter is coming I plan to stable my Sports (Sidney) and start riding my IceT Trike. My name is Dion Lewis. !Also, instead of neetsfoot (I sold leather products for years and that stuff is not good) try the Obenauf's that Riv. But nothing helped. The pebbled texture keeps me from sliding around. I do not participate in affiliate marketing. I just ordered the Flyer Select which I rode across the Country last year but gave the bike and saddle to my mom. Or just wait for some callouses to develop? Maybe I will treat myself for Christmas!Thanks too for the comforting comment on my B67! We had custom build frames on our racing bicicles, but poor saddles. That's quite useful, thanks a lot. This is flyer special brooks that has copper elements. By the way, I was pondering the whole unicrown fork thing on the Abici granturismo, and decided that I actively like it! Forrest Lee Causseaux - If you want a heavier sprung saddle, there is also the B33. sells on their site. Brooks availability tends to be cyclical: During the 90's, they were all but impossible to find in this country. However, the B72-S, B66-S, etc. 2,51€ Évaluer ce pro To those who own saddles narrower than B17 and find them comfortable: thanks for your comments and I am completely open to different opinions on this. Versions: en stock 2 à 7 jours jusqu'à 10 jours pas disponible notifiable . I know this is years too late, but don't put a zipper in the back of your coat where it will scuff both you and your beloved saddle. That is very interesting the way you describe the different types of Brooks Saddle - I have just got the "Brompton" mens B17 Special saddle and it seems pretty good after the standard synthetic Brompton saddle. "Maybe I will paste it into the main text as a quote from you if you do not mind. Its in nice shape and I like it very much for the purpose, i.e. I have to say that the special models look so much nicer though.My girlfriend is riding a Selle An-Atomica. (I ask this as I consider components for my own mixte build. Worked. Well, this post is five years late, but my mother suggested I use a rolling pin (as in baking) and roll my Brooks every night while watching TV, to break it in. I gues I got harder and more resitant to the pain and afther a few days lost part of the ever coming back unpleasant sensation. You can see that the B72 is very slightly wider than the B66 models (though a 4mm difference is negligible). Many men have long legs, many women short.Ignore the labels and buy by fit (although this advice may see many men faced with the prospect of buying pink bikes with butterfly embroidered saddles). It's a little safer in the snow and ice here in Dayton WA just N. of Walla Walla.Thanks for your suggestions and wondefully delicious site. You should not need padded shorts on an upright bike if your saddle is right and proper. Odd that in the discussion SS is supposed to Increase the weight of the bike. That said, I've known female cyclists who were more comfortable on the men's versions of the saddles, and vice versa.If you're buying your first Brooks saddle, I suggest that you check out Wallingford Bicycle. S. On my commuter I ride Velo Orange "Milan" handlebars and the Gyes/Velo Orange "Parkside" saddle, which is similar to the Brooks B67--which is a B66 with a double-rail rather than a four-rail undercarriage. The bike was immaculate but the seller had fitted a clapped out Brooks B66 saddle. Many men have wide sit bones; many women have narrow. This is a personal review of the Brooks Flyer saddle after 10,000 miles of riding. Amy - funny, I do have the pocket problem too. I'll have to build a cruiser to warrant one of those.Keep up the good bloggingPB, Good stuff!I've been riding a B17 Imperial for a few thousand km now. Justine: "Isn't that what freedom and tolerance are all about? The surface of the B72 is smooth and the edges are squarely tapered - which I find more comfortable for long distance cycling, during which I slide around on the saddle more, but get off the bike less frequently. I have the flyer special and the b67 select - the select (raw oganic leather + proofide ) broke in much faster and v comfortable from day one especially for long trips. To get a good sense of the differences in dimensions, I've compiled the specs from. I've been going back and forth on getting a Brooks and then on which one to get. A comfy saddle really is crucial when bicycle touring, don’t opt for the gel alternatives and instead commit to a saddle that properly supports your “Sit bones” and lasts forever. I do not place paid promotional content within blog posts. These seats suit these bikes just fine, and a Swallow would flounder with either of these geometries. Glad this post is useful! And now I ride Brooks. After 5 months the saddle has not yet broken in to be anywhere near as comfortable as the B67 on my Dutch bike, which broke in after a mere two weeks. I think it's dangerous and I was especially freaked out by the saddle catching things when I first started cycling. Dottie - I think the Flyer and the B17 are stiff saddles that are especially difficult to break in. It is amazing that you know so much about bicycles and yet you only began riding in the Spring of '08. I also have that long tunic and short skirt problem with the saddle on my Retrovelo, which is B67s. Thanks for this... there was a lot of Brooks info hiding away in the Comments of a couple of posts. Here a narrow saddle might stop your inner thigh chaffing on the the saddle edge. I treat use proofhide on it at least once a week, or after it rains, i also have the cover which i use when the bike isnt used. I prefer classy and functional to all else. To get a good sense of the differences in dimensions, I've compiled the specs from Brooks into a single chart. This site is a free online resource that strives to offer helpful content and comparison features to its visitors. Velouria - I had figured that is was something along the lines of dissimilar "butt imprints" :) I would be curious to try out a new B72 to see how different it is to my former one. to really get them moving. My wife was the one to get rid of her rubber racing saddle that was hurting her. What I'd really like for commuting is a saddle with the B-72s "loop" rails, as I don't feel I need the springiness of the B66/67 or Parkside. It's happened to me with both coats and skirts. Hi, did anyone here experienced issues about bleeding/staining of brooks-saddles? I have a 73 Sports and the current B 67 should work. I'd also like for it to have two rather than four rails, and for the top to have the same width as the B66/67 or Parkside. KFG: I fought long and hard for my right to ride a pink saddle with butterfly logos on it. Filigree, Thanks for the info on the Schwalbes. Weight: 695.0 g Product details. (Riding sometimes behind my wife's bike I have studied how the spings are working and I have seen how the saddle's leather has adapted to the body, I came to the conclusion thas this would be my favorite comfortable "allround saddle". However (!) It brings fond memories of my old 1897 Crescent which had a very similar double action seat. Thanks BTW if you want to see the blog from my Ride Across America check it out at: christopherlangham.blogspot.com. This is a wonderful idea! From this I have a clear visual picture of where my previous cycling problems had come from. "Not at all, although you may want to Strunk & Whiteize it a bit (use italics and/or bold where I have used non-HTML emphasis); or feel free to just rephrase it in your own words and style to spiff up what you've already written - my own infamy was secured long ago, so I have no issues with official credit.And as an aside I will take the opportunity to point out that if you poke around the web a bit you will find many WOMEN who are discontent with the fact that although a "women's specific" bike is what fits them, it is only available in a "Barbieized" version. I have to take issue with your comments about the Swallow! The Flyer Special is a touring saddle with suspension springs and hand-hammered rivets perfect for adventure cycling, commuting and long-distance touring. Leather tape is wrapped around an aluminium shell, and held in place by steel clamps which can be removed if the tape needs replacing. CLASSICALLY SPRUNG- The Brooks Flyer comes classically sprung making it perfect for trekking and touring. It's just he opposite; no one would drive a car w/o suspension. I have a Brooks Flyer on the tourer and find it to be extreemly comfortable, 6 hours in the saddle pain free. There is a visibly deeper indentation on the right side of the saddle and also the saddle has 'twisted' down on the right side by about 0.5 cm. My 78 Raleigh Grand Prix also has the original Brooks saddle on it and from what I can tell it's what they call a 'racing saddle' and may be an L15. This was such a revelation I found out everything I could about Brooks saddles then splashed out on a fully-sprung double-rail B67. Threespeeder - I don't think that the Aged B67 should not have a shorter life span; pretreating with conditioners is fine. my wife has it on her dutch bike:http://www.flickr.com/photos/7516215@N03/4788123266/. Here is my pride and joy: http://www.flickr.com/photos/11656570@N07/4999636498/Sorry Velouria, I kept a picture of Co-Habitant’s DL1 next to mine for a few days to decide on cream tires and just could not tear myself away from my old black ones. FrtsB: Titanium is not an option. Not head-down grinding and not sit-up-read-the-newspaper, or at least this is how I visualise it...). My own view is that saddles narrower than B17 are not suitable for the majority of the non-pro, non-messenger population, and I stick to that despite variations in individual experience. I had one but sold it because it's wider than I like. With three coil springs does it increase the amount of sway? Maybe Vancouver B.C or Victoria on the Island. Comments that disparage, bully, or intimidate, in content or in tone,will not be approved. Good advice... and of course ultimately it's whatever saddle you feel comfortable on that's right for you. I wondered if Abici etc go for the unsprung saddle for the sleek elegance and simplicity not only in looks but in sound. No matter which saddle I use, and I have several Brooks, I still get saddle sores on my Batavus over 20 miles. "Now THAT's creepy. I don't really have a good explanation as to why; it's just a subjective feeling of appropriateness. In the early seventies, living in Amsterdam, we had a choice of well tarmacked specific cycling roads south and north Amsyerdam. Choosing an Upright Saddle: Brooks B72 vs Brooks B66 The Brookssaddles most typically fitted on upright bicycles are theB72 and the B66 (the B67 is the same model as the B66, only made for modern seatposts). Flyer Imperial w/ Relief Cut-out In the 1890 Brooks catalogue, the oldest in the their archive, Brooks presents most of the saddles with the "registered cutting, a sure preventive to all perineal pressure". Maintenance wise you don't need to look after these much other than the occasional application of 'proofride'.I now have one bike (Gazelle) and one saddle (Brooks) and after all the years of effort to get here I see no reason to change either! I LOVE my Swallow, dearly, and wish the same comfort for everyone who pedals. JimP - Henry Cutler (WorkCycles) had a short discussion with "Feddo" about a stainless steel version of his Fr8 some time ago. Your experience with each saddle is invaluable towards my final decision. Comments that disparage, bully, or intimidate, in content or in tone,will not be approved. Livraison rapide et économies garanties en selle - tige de selle ! In retrospect, I would get a flyer for the Rivendell. The same was true with the Flyer on my vintage mixte last year, but I wasn't experienced enough to realise it at the time and didn't know why my saddle kept hurting me after months of riding that bike. Dion Lewis. Different seat rail mounts prevent us from doing a swap and comparing; the Hercules has a modern alloy post as the original chrome one was far too short for proper extension.Herself finds that even with the pebbled finish on the B-67s, it's still rather slippery, due to still being somewhat new. Thank you, thank you, thank you! Nice comparo, but I disagree with the statement suspension = less control. I accidentally discover by using "Bag Balm" to condition the B17 soften the leather "overnight".Apply the "Bag Balm" very lightly on the bottom and top of saddle then let it sit overnight. The faster it's worn in, the faster it will wear out. The B72's springs are tighter and smaller - still providing suspension, but not to the extent that it interferes with a more forward lean. The Co-Habitant has it on his Pashley and loves it. 5 out of 5 stars (4) Total Ratings 4, $136.88 New. . Decided on that angle after experimentation today. (I can ride a saddle while wearing a skirt.) Product Comparison: Brooks Flyer vs Brooks B67. Flyer vs Brochure There are many different ways to let people know about your product, service, or any upcoming project or event. "Yes.Filigree: "Do you hear that, marketing people? to the blog author. Brooks England: The Eternal One. "Could someone tell me the proper name for the chrome plugs in the Raleigh forks"The proper name is "thimble," but they are generally referred to as a "dimple."" For what it's worth, Sheldon Brown swore by it (scroll down to "Breaking in a leather saddle"). Anna - You know, I have not found a Viennese bike shop that actually carries a bike I would recommend. "The latest trend is for marketing geniuses to troll the internets. I love your vintage Raleigh DL 1 by the way! Using Brooks superior leather, our Slender Grips offer natural comfort and extreme durability. Although on shorter rides it feels OK, on longer rides I have problems with my soft parts. If you've never experienced discomfort while cycling you probably don't need one - otherwise please read on.The Dutch Gazelle12 years ago, when living in Amsterdam (those were the days...), I picked up a 'tweedehands' Gazelle touring bicycle. I tilt it up slightly at the front. I think I will try Neatsfoot Oil next. The other advantage of the Imperial model is that it breaks more quickly than other models, although my concern is that it will shorten the life of the saddle. I do not place paid promotional content within blog posts. Selle avec ou sans ressort ? But no matter who I spoke to about this, no other women seemed to be having this problem and I felt that I must be a special sort of klutz to be experiencing it. :), your site has lots of informations for us kind of peoples thanks for sharing this in internet.. Sure will return for an update.. http://ww.dmaxonline.com. Threespeeder: If you had asked as recently as five years ago I might well have been able to give you rather more helpful answers, but there's this little thing called "Supply and Demand. I do find I move around on it a fair bit though and even now am still tinkering to find the 'perfect' setup for the saddle in terms of angle and where it sits on the seatpost. kfg; Thanks for the "bike under the bed idea" unfortuately that area is full but I should be able to hang a relic in the shop. DOUBLE REAR SPRING- the Flyer features two rear springs for an extra layer of comfort during your ride. Would be a mess to ruin them. Width: 205 mm. The kind I'm wearing too. 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